95 Thesis - Point 5 - Calvinism

Here's my 5th Point in My 95 Theses.

This point is not directed at all protestant evangelicals... but I am concerned at the level of influence Calvinism has. I’m concerned many are being influenced by this school of thought without understanding it.

So what are the 5 points of Calvinism (TULIP):

• T - Total Depravity
• U - Unconditional Election
• L - Limited Atonement
• I - Irresistible Grace
• P - Perseverance of the saints
  

Total Depravity

When man fell, sin permeated his entire being. This fall was so complete that man had no desire for God and righteousness. Man is so totally enslaved by sin that he can only choose evil; he cannot choose good. He is incapable of choosing God and His salvation. Man is totally blind and deaf to the gospel. Apart from a supernatural intervention from God, the gospel message absolutely has no effect on a person. Total depravity is also called total inability.

Unconditional Election

God has chosen some people to go to Heaven and other people to go to Hell. This choice is not based on any qualities of the person being elected. This selection is not based on God’s foreknowledge of who will "get saved" in the future.

Limited Atonement

God limited His atonement to only those who are elect. When Jesus died on the cross, He did not die for the sins of the whole world; He only died for those He wanted to go to Heaven.

Irresistible Grace

The grace that God extends to the elect cannot be refused. God puts into the hearts of the elect an irresistible desire to turn to Him and accept His salvation. This desire is so overpowering that no one can refuse it.

Perseverance of the Saints

Since God has determined who will get saved and they cannot resist His call, they are unconditionally and eternally secure in that election. Therefore, those who have been chosen to be saved will always stay saved. They cannot resist or lose their salvation.

(Above points taken from http://www.biblehelp.org/tulip.htm )

Some Concerns I have with this:

1)I don't think it fits with God's character of love for all his creation. If we say we are saved by grace alone, that it is all God's doing and not our own...
Do we also say the wicked are doomed by God's lack of grace alone, that it is all God's doing and not their own???

2) Some then conclude that God hates sinners. If God hates sinners can we hate them too?

3) Where is free will? Why would God create humanity yet not allow us to exercise free will?

4) If God does everything, we don't need to seek and pursue Him?

5) How I've witnessed "once saved always saved" being applied goes like this: We tell children when they say a prayer that they are saved and nothing can change that fact... but then if/when that child grows up and falls away from the faith we say "well, I guess they were not really saved to begin with... maybe they didn't mean it".

6) Yes there are some verses that support these positions. But there are other verses that seem to be ignored. If God wanted us to believe this system of beliefs I think it would have been clearly laid out... however it took 1500 years before John Calvin and his followers came up with this.

Hebrews 11:6 (NIV) - Total Depravity?

And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

2 Peter 3:9 (NIV) - Unconditional Election?

The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

1 John 2:2 (NIV) - Limited atonement?

He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Matthew 23:37 (NIV) - Irresistible Grace?

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing."

Acts 17:30 (NIV) - Unconditional Election?

"In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent."

Matthew 6:33 (NIV) - free will? Ability to seek God? Yes!

"But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well."

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Some Membership Questions

A few more questions on 'church' membership.

If a member of Christ's body meets together with an assembly of other members Christ's body, is it even possible that he/she is not a member of that assembly?

Or does this question make sense? What does being a member of an assembly mean?

When someone is a member of Christ's body, and they meet together with other members of Christ body, there is no question they are all members of Christ body.

And who makes who a member? To what degree does the assembly decide who the members of Christ's body are?

Can there be more than one body? I wonder where the idea of local membership came from...

If someone is a member of a different body (if you think there is such a thing), are you permitted to view or treat them differently than if they were part of the same body you are a member of?

Is it possible that 'church membership' does harm to Christ's body?

Who is the head of the body?

Those are my questions for today...

Here's some Scripture snippets that may help... are there more?? How has the Holy Spirit guided me in this matter? How has tradition?

Romans 12:5 (New International Version)

so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others.

1 Corinthians 6:15 (New International Version)

Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never!

1 Corinthians 10:17 (New International Version)

Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.

1 Corinthians 12:12 (New International Version)

The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ.

1 Corinthians 12:13 (New International Version)

For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.

1 Corinthians 12:27 (New International Version)

Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.

Ephesians 3:6 (New International Version)

This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.

Ephesians 4:12 (New International Version)

to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up

Ephesians 4:16 (New International Version)

From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.

Ephesians 4:25 (New International Version)

Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to his neighbor, for we are all members of one body.

Ephesians 4:4 (New International Version)

There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to one hope when you were called—

Ephesians 5:23 (New International Version)

For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.

Ephesians 5:30 (New International Version)

for we are members of his body.

Colossians 1:18 (New International Version)

And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.

Colossians 1:24 (New International Version)

Now I rejoice in what was suffered for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ's afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.

Colossians 2:19 (New International Version)

He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

Colossians 3:15 (New International Version)

Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful.

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Hopeful Skeptic

"We need to acknowledge, even embrace, both the doubts and the hope of our faith, says Nick Fiedler, author of The Hopeful Skeptic. Thinkfwd host, Spencer Burke, and Nick talk together about some of the topics that Nick wrestles with in his life and book—like scripture, church structure, and prayer." - TheOoze.tv

I feel this video lines up with the journey I'm on.

I think a healthy dose of skepticism can be a good thing. Think about any influential leader of the past... Christian or otherwise... or even Jesus himself... and you will find a degree of skepticism... questioning and challenging the current state of affairs.

Yet spending too much time in a state of skepticism becomes unhealthy and unproductive. We need to recognize the good that God is also doing in His Church, re-focus, and follow.

Playdough Scripture 2 John 1:7

"Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, but have other wrong teachings, like praying to Mary, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist."

2 John 1:7 (Playdough Version)

Dearly loved children

Ephesians 5:1-2 (NIV)

"Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children, and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God"

Children naturally imitate their parents. Sometimes good - sometimes we wish they didn't.

We are dearly loved children. Let's rest in that, and imitate it by living a life of love.

Not only would this be a great way to live, but can you imagine if the world recognized God's love in us?

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People of the book

Did Jesus want His followers to be a people of the book?

If He did, why didn't he write a book and tell his followers to follow that book?

What did Jesus leave with us to give us guidance?

John 15:26 (NIV)

"When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me. "

Acts 1:4-5 (NIV)

"Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit."

We are supposed to be people guided by the Holy Spirit that Jesus promised he would leave for us.

What do you think?

From my experience I feel more emphasis has been placed on following the book than following the Word of God that indwells us. By being a people of the book we can do a decent job at being religious. But the goal isn't to follow the book. The book isn't Lord. The book is there to introduce us to the King of Kings who wants to be Lord of our lives.... and we can be a people who follow the personal leading of our Lord.