tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2203174451356862507.post5532208999622771651..comments2023-05-20T06:30:03.560-05:00Comments on Jon's Journey: Five Points of CalvinismJonathanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01266729238990589293noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2203174451356862507.post-20238714024157966712012-10-06T22:39:58.032-05:002012-10-06T22:39:58.032-05:00Thanks refinisher for sharing. I also know and res...Thanks refinisher for sharing. I also know and respect many believers who identify with Calvinism. I simply had to process the stuff here to some degree, and am with you with abandoning many of the extra labels. Thanks for commenting!Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01266729238990589293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2203174451356862507.post-35639256127199724402012-10-06T22:31:57.717-05:002012-10-06T22:31:57.717-05:00Hi Jon
I have many friends that are Calvinists, to...Hi Jon<br />I have many friends that are Calvinists, to varying degrees. A few claim to be but cant explain its tenets. A few others can explain it and to varying degrees, live within its tenets. For instance, one man who is a scholarly type, and has even written a book recently on why house churches are God's preferred way for the saints to gather/live, told me a few years ago he wasnt sure he is saved. But, he walks carefully with God and man in the light of Christ he has. Our other friends also walk in the light of Christ they understand, and I consider all to be living holy lives. Im not sure its important to be entangled in the details of Calvinism, Arminianism or any other ism if that person is producing the fruit of the Holy Spirit in the love of God.<br />I was primarily influenced in my early walk with the Lord by a family that were Calvinist. They went far beyond any sacrifice of any non Calvinists Im acquainted with, in helping me and a lot of other very troubled, and troublesome youth. <br />Im not Calvinist, Arminian or anything, having categorically rejected labels as soon as I was saved. Im free to discuss anything with anyone without needing to protect a particular brand. My policy is 'Dont ask, Dont tell', but look for fruit.<br />blessings<br />Greg refinisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03626701088485366707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2203174451356862507.post-43251559175352276652011-03-13T09:35:26.213-05:002011-03-13T09:35:26.213-05:00www.in-geest-en-waarheid.nl
Twee links die mogeli...www.in-geest-en-waarheid.nl<br /><br />Twee links die mogelijk van belang zijn .<br />God Bless You<br />wieger kooistradebarnevelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15424832283638350550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2203174451356862507.post-20796371362586723302011-03-13T09:04:27.180-05:002011-03-13T09:04:27.180-05:00www.hetkoninkrijkderhemelen.infowww.hetkoninkrijkderhemelen.infodebarnevelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15424832283638350550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2203174451356862507.post-48648970774586439132011-03-13T09:01:13.712-05:002011-03-13T09:01:13.712-05:00www.hetkoninkrijkderhemelen.infowww.hetkoninkrijkderhemelen.infodebarnevelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15424832283638350550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2203174451356862507.post-67149977971434670082011-03-07T19:30:59.235-06:002011-03-07T19:30:59.235-06:00Thanks Janis for your comment. I appreciate the d...Thanks Janis for your comment. I appreciate the dialog. And I'm glad for you if you've found peace on this topic.<br /><br />However I'm not sure if it's a good thing to view Calvinism as university level.<br /><br />1 Corinthians 3:19 (NIV)<br />For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness” ;<br /><br />Mark 10:14-15 (NIV)<br />"When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He said to them, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it."<br /><br />I truly believe we've overcomplicated a lot of things. There are many simple truths in Scripture that Christ followers throughout the ages have agreed upon. Despite it's popularity in many circles, Calvinism is a relatively recent distictive. <br /><br />Did Jesus teach the 5 points in any clear and simple teachings? <br /><br />Or did any early Christians teach these teachings at their university level Bible Colleges? <br /><br />Sorry for the sarcasm, but my point is I suspect this isn't an essential belief.<br /><br />However, that being said, I agree there are some verses that fit these 5 points. And some that don't. I believe we can acknowledge the tension as we seek God to lead us to grow in knowledge and faith in Him.<br /><br />Thanks! God bless!Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01266729238990589293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2203174451356862507.post-11044888738374196342011-03-07T12:01:56.225-06:002011-03-07T12:01:56.225-06:00The elementary school of faith and repentence can ...The elementary school of faith and repentence can not compare to the university school of election and predestination.<br /><br />It is like giving a 2nd grader calculus and expecting them to figure it out in a day of sitting and studying it.<br /><br />When I started to hear about 5 points of Calvinism, I was very upset and against it because I could not wrap my brain around it. But with the perspective in mind, as I continued to read and study God's word, I could not help but see that scripture points so many times to that. Are there still verses that confuse me and sound contrary to it? Well of course, I do not have God's ability to understand it as it is! But, I firmly believe that the bible does not contradict itself and must be the interpreter, so seek God to help me to understand his ways.<br /><br />Wrapping up, I don't believe that you can just hear about the 5 points of Calvinism in 1 day or one week and make a clear judgment on it with one's own understanding. My suggestion is to simply know what it is and what it stands for and as you continue to study God's Word, and see many scriptures supporting it, then you can make a better decsion on the matter. It is when we try to sit back and understand God without so much focus on scripture that we shut our minds of to things that bring him glory.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03510320761509818296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2203174451356862507.post-53841321496507314442010-11-14T10:34:12.055-06:002010-11-14T10:34:12.055-06:00Thanks Jon.
I keep running into a road block calle...Thanks Jon.<br />I keep running into a road block called Calvin when I enter discussions online.<br />Your article gives a good answer. Like your Dutch commenter I find Calvinism reprehensible. In fact although many are lovely brothers, Jesus could say to Calvin what he said to the Pharisees. Woe unto you Calvin, hypocrite, you shut up the kingdom of heaven to men......etc.<br />I won't say quite that Calvin didn't enter himself, but his doctrine certainly shut heaven. Thankfully I believe that God is not a Calvinist and in fact he is far more merciful than Calvin ever allows him to be.<br />What amazes me is that so many believers will hang their coats so strongly on a leader of any sort. What is the difference between this and "I am of Paul or I am of Apollos as condemned in 1Corinthians1v12.Frankhttp://francisdrakeprivateer.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2203174451356862507.post-23605027793400272362010-05-29T15:02:42.083-05:002010-05-29T15:02:42.083-05:00Thanks Wieger for the comment.
With a little he...Thanks Wieger for the comment. <br /><br />With a little help from google translate here is the general idea I think... <br /><br />"A response from the Netherlands Europe.<br />The doctrine of Calvin is reprehensible and makes many of the Kingdom of God can not enter. I live in Barneveld. what is here called the (Bible belt) reproached Farrizeen hetis like Jesus: you have the key hidden inside, and who wants to keep you from. Jesus said: All who will may come and drink the water of life freely. bless you."<br /><br />Thanks for the comment, God bless!Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01266729238990589293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2203174451356862507.post-91774542936813956502010-05-29T14:39:21.909-05:002010-05-29T14:39:21.909-05:00Een reactie uit Nederland-Europa .
De leer van Cal...Een reactie uit Nederland-Europa .<br />De leer van Calvijn is verwerpelijk en maakt dat velen het Koninkrijk van God niet kunnen binnengaan . Ik woon in Barneveld . wat men hier noemt de (Bibel belt)hetis zoals Jezus de Farrizeen verweet : jullie hebben de sleutel verborgen en wie binnen wil gaan houden jullie tegen . Jezus zegt: Elk die wil mag komen en drinken van het water des levens om niet. bless you .debarnevelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15424832283638350550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2203174451356862507.post-7795239090124647882010-04-22T10:50:34.140-05:002010-04-22T10:50:34.140-05:00Jonathan,
I've attempted to address some of y...Jonathan,<br /><br />I've attempted to address some of your concerns, just FYI. Have a good one.<br /><br />http://5ptsalt.com/2010/04/22/a-readers-concerns-about-calvinism/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2203174451356862507.post-18889669238236677302009-06-30T21:40:23.282-05:002009-06-30T21:40:23.282-05:00Thanks Amanda for the thoughtful and encouraging c...Thanks Amanda for the thoughtful and encouraging comments.<br />God bless!Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01266729238990589293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2203174451356862507.post-4630712041279577672009-06-30T10:26:18.275-05:002009-06-30T10:26:18.275-05:00This is very interesting and informative. Thanks f...This is very interesting and informative. Thanks for spreading some knowledge!<br /><br />I agree that the Limited Atonement and Unconditional Election is flawed. If that were the case, then why would Christ have sent us on with the Great Commission, if God Himself does all the work anyways? What would have been the point of Christ Himself?<br /><br />If the five points of Calvinists are true, then really, Christ is useless to us. That doesn't quite sit well with me.<br /><br />Thanks Jon, I always enjoy reading about your journey with the Lord. It's been helping me along the way, too! (:<br /><br />-AmandaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com